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Everything is being consumed by chaos, and Valhalla is formed in the real world? Serah dies, and... Lightning is now a stone sitting on Etro's throne? Is this what they meant when they said not to judge who is the "angel and the demon" between Lightning and Caius? Interesting.. If anyone has been listening to the soundtrack or has seen the tracklist, there is a track named A World Without A Goddess, and this led me into believing that Etro might need to be eliminated at the end of the true ending. (Final boss?).
It is most likely the bad ending, and I think a lot of people misunderstood the "To be continued" shown at the ending. I've seen films (particularly short films) having bad or tragic endings and leaving it off there and giving off a "to be continued" vibe. I believe it's the same with this one.
One more thing.. Did they extracted Cocoon from the crystallized part? Wat?
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Spoiler:
Ok, so this is what I got from FF Wiki:
"After Caius is defeated, Serah, Noel and Mog return to 400AF Pulse, where Cocoon rises again, Valhalla within it. After Serah thanks Noel, she has a vision of Etro's palace, then dies abruptly. Noel weeps for her, as Hope arrives to greet them from Academia. However, in mourning, Noel remembers Caius's warning about Etro to them, previously thought to be a bluff. Cocoon and everything on Pulse begins to emit Chaos, as a seal opens in the sky, and a petrified Lightning is seen sitting on Etro's throne. The words "To be continued.." are the last screen."
(I can say that the info being posted in the Wiki is reliable, but again, some parts might've been mistranslated or something.. although this seems plausible.)
Everything is being consumed by chaos, and Valhalla is formed in the real world? Serah dies, and... Lightning is now a stone sitting on Etro's throne? Is this what they meant when they said not to judge who is the "angel and the demon" between Lightning and Caius? Interesting.. If anyone has been listening to the soundtrack or has seen the tracklist, there is a track named A World Without A Goddess, and this led me into believing that Etro might need to be eliminated at the end of the true ending. (Final boss?).
It is most likely the bad ending, and I think a lot of people misunderstood the "To be continued" shown at the ending. I've seen films (particularly short films) having bad or tragic endings and leaving it off there and giving off a "to be continued" vibe. I believe it's the same with this one.
One more thing.. Did they extracted Cocoon from the crystallized part? Wat?
Edit:
Spoiler:
Ok, so this is what I got from the official Wiki:
"After Caius is defeated, Serah, Noel and Mog return to 400AF Pulse, where Cocoon rises again, Valhalla within it. After Serah thanks Noel, she has a vision of Etro's palace, then dies abruptly. Noel weeps for her, as Hope arrives to greet them from Academia. However, in mourning, Noel remembers Caius's warning about Etro to them, previously thought to be a bluff. Cocoon and everything on Pulse begins to emit Chaos, as a seal opens in the sky, and a petrified Lightning is seen sitting on Etro's throne. The words "To be continued.." are the last screen."
(I can say that the info being posted in the Wiki is reliable, but again, some parts might've been mistranslated or something.. although this seems plausible.)
Etro is evil, you guys. EVIIIILLLL
Spoiler:
Or is Etro Evil?
Etro was made in the image of Muin by accident. Who is the Mother of all the Gods and Buniberizei. Muin was cast into the realm of death by Buni because he wanted to rule. Buni created Etro, Lindzei and Pulse to find the door of death so he could kill his mother finally.
But Buni immediately regretted having created Etro and gave her no powers. She was sad, so she tore up her human body and from that humans were born, Etro then made it to the Realm of the Dead where she met Muin who was near death. Muin charged Etro with the task of greeting those at the door of death and gave them a piece of chaos in their hearts which made humans... human... or something like that.
Without Etro, Chaos would ensue and spill into the realm of the living, destroying everything in its path.
Along the way, Etro needed help from Lightning for some unexplained reason. But Lightning had no choice to agree if she wanted to leave Valhalla and be with her sister again. While in Valhalla, Lightning had a vision of Noel and I suppose used that opportunity to send him back to get Serah since she couldn't leave Valhalla without getting rid of Caius first, or completing whatever task Etro had charged her with.
Caius was probably told this information by Yeul who could see the future, and decided it contradicted the "true" timeline, and decided to try and eliminate her to stop her from reaching Noel who would make paradox's in the time line.
Assuming this is the bad ending, I'm guessing that not all of the paradoxes were eliminated, or not enough right ones were created to keep Hope from creating Neo-Cocoon and smashing Vanille and Fang, and keeping from Serah from dying and Valhalla and Chaos taking over Pulse as well as Lightning turning to Crystal/Stone.
It's said that Etro is really another Fal'Cie since Buni is a true god who created the first 3 Fal'Cie. So maybe Lightning was re-branded as a L'cie and she's a crystal stone now in the bad ending.
Or is Etro Evil?
Etro was made in the image of Muin by accident. Who is the Mother of all the Gods and Buniberizei. Muin was cast into the realm of death by Buni because he wanted to rule. Buni created Etro, Lindzei and Pulse to find the door of death so he could kill his mother finally.
But Buni immediately regretted having created Etro and gave her no powers. She was sad, so she tore up her human body and from that humans were born, Etro then made it to the Realm of the Dead where she met Muin who was near death. Muin charged Etro with the task of greeting those at the door of death and gave them a piece of chaos in their hearts which made humans... human... or something like that.
Without Etro, Chaos would ensue and spill into the realm of the living, destroying everything in its path.
Along the way, Etro needed help from Lightning for some unexplained reason. But Lightning had no choice to agree if she wanted to leave Valhalla and be with her sister again. While in Valhalla, Lightning had a vision of Noel and I suppose used that opportunity to send him back to get Serah since she couldn't leave Valhalla without getting rid of Caius first, or completing whatever task Etro had charged her with.
Caius was probably told this information by Yeul who could see the future, and decided it contradicted the "true" timeline, and decided to try and eliminate her to stop her from reaching Noel who would make paradox's in the time line.
Assuming this is the bad ending, I'm guessing that not all of the paradoxes were eliminated, or not enough right ones were created to keep Hope from creating Neo-Cocoon and smashing Vanille and Fang, and keeping from Serah from dying and Valhalla and Chaos taking over Pulse as well as Lightning turning to Crystal/Stone.
It's said that Etro is really another Fal'Cie since Buni is a true god who created the first 3 Fal'Cie. So maybe Lightning was re-branded as a L'cie and she's a crystal stone now in the bad ending.
I know very well of the mythology, how she felt love for the humans etc etc, yet why would she let such things happen? Lightning looks like she has been manipulated by Etro.. Why would she bring Valhalla and its chaos upon the visible world?
I know very well of the mythology, how she felt love for the humans etc etc, yet why would she let such things happen? Lightning looks like she has been manipulated by Etro.. Why would she bring Valhalla and its chaos upon the visible world?
Spoiler:
Maybe Etro lost strength to control the chaos due to the drastic time changes made? I'm making a wild guess here. Why would a goddess call upon one of her children for help?
Its okay seaprion, all is forgiven.
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[SPOILER]Maybe Etro lost strength to control the chaos due to the drastic time changes made? I'm making a wild guess here. Why would a goddess call upon one of her children for help?
Good point! Maybe she got consumed by the chaos instead.
Also, you get this ending if you finish the game at an early point or something, right?
Good point! Maybe she got consumed by the chaos instead.
Also, you get this ending if you finish the game at an early point or something, right?
If you collect under 45 something fragments apparently. More fragments are achievable post game apparently when new areas are unlocked. Which is why I'm willing to believe that this is the bad ending.
If you collect under 45 something fragments apparently. More fragments are achievable post game apparently when new areas are unlocked. Which is why I'm willing to believe that this is the bad ending.
45ish out of what, 180? Yeah, this is the bad ending most definitely.
45ish out of what, 180? Yeah, this is the bad ending most definitely.
Yeah, but I heard that you can't break 50 the first time around. So you have to NG+ it. This is probably Square-Enix's way of making the game longer then the first game by making you replay some parts to try and change history.
Which makes the stacking theory of the multiple endings plausible?
Right, so we know from the whole creation legend thing that Muin told Etro that she would have to basically bear the reigns on chaos so it didn't die out or some such. The world needs both chaos and order to survive, so Etro snuck it into the world by hiding bits of it in the heart of every human. If I remember right, the legend thing says "This is what humans call a 'soul'."
Now, let's take a few little hopscotchy leaps shall we? Etro is practically dragged into a stance of complete opposition against Lindzei and Pulse, both of which created massive amounts of fal'Cie. We also know that the fal'Cie are all about control and plans, carefully timing every single little thing. This is even more evident in l'Cie, who have to either stick to the plan or turn into raging, tortured monsters doomed to damnation.
So what if the fal'Cie were the balancing weight for order, as humans were for chaos? If that were the case, then the characters of XIII killing Orphan (and thereby most if not ALL of the Cocoon fal'Cie) might have tipped the scales so drastically in the favor of chaos that Etro was no longer able to contain it in the Land of the Dead.
It could also be that Caius' claims about Etro are founded on the fact that she was the one who stepped in and put Fang and Vanille to crystal sleep before they actually completed their focus. This forced the extinction of the Pulsian humans (as the Pulse fal'Cie no longer had any reason to sustain them), and the Cocoon fal'Cie were left with no choice but to foster the situation that brought the events of 13 about.
It's possible that if Cocoon had been destroyed when it was supposed to be, the Maker would've returned or at the least the Pulsian peoples might've survived. After all, as Barthandelus said in 13 killing Orphan robs Eden of its strength and pretty much kills ALL of the fal'Cie on Cocoon. For all we know, that might be a 1 for 1 exchange on the scale. Etro's interference almost certainly saved millions of human lives, after all, so I suppose that could be seen as inciting chaos int the first place.
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