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How long before England's gonna have to intervene to bail your asses out?
Anyway, who thinks it's just a bluff and who actually thinks the ol' cheeky chappy has something up his sleeve? Other than decimating the southern border of South Korea obviously
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Well I'm not surprised. America tends to stick its nose in other countries affairs a little too often anyway. I think N.Korea just thrives on intimidating larger nations in order to gain rank among them. They're not going to attack the U.S. if so, they are begging to be blown off the face of the earth.
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lol I agree. Policing the world sounds bad enough in theory, let alone in practise. Thing is, North Korea are real shady in everything they do. For all we really know, they could have enough nuclear weapons to make quite a few American cities into wastelands. I think most big countries seem to underestimate places on either their living conditions or the general size. Take the Middle East for example. Militia laughing off a superpower. Personally I think Korea has a real good chance of making America shit fairly solid bricks if it plays it right. Who knows what each country might have lurking underground for a special occasion
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true it worries me though what any country with nuclear weapons will do. just look at russia. they supposedly have one that can takeout half the world and the aftermath takes out the rest
the only thing we can say is that everyone needs to leave everyone alone unless anyone starts asking for help. that or there has got to be a few new leaders who will order their nukes to be dismantled. something no one will do yet
You realize our government does this shit without the consent of it's people, right? It sounds like you guys are pointing a finger at Average Joe. Plus, it's sounds like Korea is starting this shit anyway, with their "missle tests" and threatening us first. I'm no politician, so forgive me if I'm looking at this the wrong way or missing something. Americans are not bad people, but we are not perfect, either.
^ That's what the rest of us are saying Sweet Pea!!!!!
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Can't we just launch all the nukes in the world into space or something, or to the sun? Well when the sun starts to go out (like in the movie 'Sunshine') U.S. has nukes to, yeah they're not threatening anyone (that I know of) but still I don't think any country should have them.
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You realize our government does this shit without the consent of it's people, right? It sounds like you guys are pointing a finger at Average Joe. Plus, it's sounds like Korea is starting this shit anyway, with their "missle tests" and threatening us first. I'm no politician, so forgive me if I'm looking at this the wrong way or missing something. Americans are not bad people, but we are not perfect, either.
I completely agree, it's all the government. I don't think anyone is really blaming the public. The reason I'm mad is America is policing again. Sort of saying, you CAN'T do nuclear tests Korea, because we said so. While America say this, they're testing nuclear weapons themselves. While Korea is untrustworthy, why should they not be able to have nukes, and America for some reason can. What annoys me is America seem to think because they're such a "civilised" and powerful country, that they should be the boss of the world. Considering the west has the "Peace Keeper" launching platform merely "in pieces", we should be sitting back and laughing.
Also I think Korea is smuggling arms and possible nuclear material which is a new story altogether, however I think if the nuclear part was true, the entirety of the west be would be in on this.
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While America may have been the only country to ever use nuclear weapons offensively, I think I'd rather it have been them then anybody else (WMD's had to be used once or nobody would take them seriously). I think it's safe to say at least in my opinion that the countries that have them right now, US, UK, France, India etc etc (it's a pretty small group), aren't about to fire them any time soon, they're used as deterrants because if you nuke them they nuke you scenario (Mutually assured destruction). But the leader of North Korea is pretty freaking crazy, whats to stop him selling a nuke to a person or group that isn't associated with a country, a group that cannot be striked back at and so has no fear for using said nuke in an attack.
As far as I'm aware the only country that's ever sold nuclear weapons outright is the US, to UK (lucky us lol), most countries wouldn't dream of it because they don't want to empower others with this type of weapon or aren't in that desperate need of cash. Crazy little countries with terribly unbalanced economies might be tempted to sell a nuke and not care to whom, thats what I worry about.
Personally I blame Iran, all the media attention on them, poor Kim is feeling ignored so he's threatening to attack, he just wants attention, like a well armed puppy.
In the event of someone going to war with North Korea, I can't see Japan or South Korea being too cut up if that someone happens to be the USA.
Normally I'd say it's all talk on NK's part, but considering the latest missile launches and the nuclear tests and the basic 'fuk yu gais' to everyone else in the region, possibly stemming from internal political tensions arising from Kim Jong Il's declining health, I wouldn't put it past them to do something really stupid like shoot a missile at the USA/South Korea/Japan. If a war does start, it'll be interesting to see what China does.
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But the leader of North Korea is pretty freaking crazy, whats to stop him selling a nuke to a person or group that isn't associated with a country, a group that cannot be striked back at and so has no fear for using said nuke in an attack.
You mean like a extremists or something? To be honest I can't imagine any small group being able to afford any launch capabilities...at all. The best they could do is a suitcase nuke but smuggling uranium and plutonium into a country isn't as easy as smuggling in drugs. Our satellites can literally detect abnormal amount of radiation from something like a bomb.
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Normally I'd say it's all talk on NK's part, but considering the latest missile launches and the nuclear tests and the basic 'fuk yu gais' to everyone else in the region, possibly stemming from internal political tensions arising from Kim Jong Il's declining health, I wouldn't put it past them to do something really stupid like shoot a missile at the USA/South Korea/Japan. If a war does start, it'll be interesting to see what China does.
China will steal more Vietnamese women to compensate for the lack of women- wait I mean. Uhh...
In all seriousness, I'm curious to what China will do.
who knows what china will do. really i don't think they're gonna care that much and they're just gonna watch TV or something completely unrelated to this matter. they'll get involved in a fight with the U.S. when taiwan does anything out of the ordinary and that's it. Kim Jong Il is on his own
I have to say that China would be involved despite the unusual ties the nation has with other nations. Then again China is known not to intervene with other worldly affairs that have no concern to them. We'll honestly have to see how it all unfolds to really know.
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I have to say that China would be involved despite the unusual ties the nation has with other nations. Then again China is known not to intervene with other worldly affairs that have no concern to them. We'll honestly have to see how it all unfolds to really know.
North Korea concerns China since they're so close. Plus China hates the illegal North Korean immigrants. That's why they steal women from Vietnam instead.
You mean like a extremists or something? To be honest I can't imagine any small group being able to afford any launch capabilities...at all. The best they could do is a suitcase nuke but smuggling uranium and plutonium into a country isn't as easy as smuggling in drugs. Our satellites can literally detect abnormal amount of radiation from something like a bomb.
Yeah I doubt it'd be on a strategic scale, more likely delivered by vehicle or something but the problem is that kind of attack is very nasty, it can have long lasting effects well beyond actual physical destruction and doesn't actually have to be targeted at the US or the UK (somewhere interception is a higher risk with.)
I mean imagine a well funded extremist group got hold of one of these and used it against deployed UN or really any western army/deployment, it'd seriously undermine morale, pull away probably all public support and instill a great fear if nobody takes claim for the actions and there's no clear cut place or persons to strike back against... It's just a bad "what if" situation but it could still cause a lot of problems.
Look at what happened with the US in Vietnam, during the final talks between opposing generals the US general said something like "You know, we never lost a single engagement" to the Vietnamese general and his response was "Maybe so, but it's irrelevant because you're being forced to leave." All because of lack of public support for the campaign and morale drops.
I know it's a terribly arrogant thing to say but when it comes to something so dangerous I'd go so far as to say it's our duty to do as much as we can (diplomatically speaking) to prevent further countries from developing nuclear weapons. They should never be used in an ideal world, we need less of them not more.
In the event of someone going to war with North Korea, I can't see Japan or South Korea being too cut up if that someone happens to be the USA.
Normally I'd say it's all talk on NK's part, but considering the latest missile launches and the nuclear tests and the basic 'fuk yu gais' to everyone else in the region, possibly stemming from internal political tensions arising from Kim Jong Il's declining health, I wouldn't put it past them to do something really stupid like shoot a missile at the USA/South Korea/Japan. If a war does start, it'll be interesting to see what China does.
lol South Korea would get pretty fucked up, not by nukes but buy one of the biggest artillery forces in the world, all pointing at the northern border. They're literally holding South Korea hostage from what I heard.
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Yeah I doubt it'd be on a strategic scale, more likely delivered by vehicle or something but the problem is that kind of attack is very nasty, it can have long lasting effects well beyond actual physical destruction and doesn't actually have to be targeted at the US or the UK (somewhere interception is a higher risk with.)
I mean imagine a well funded extremist group got hold of one of these and used it against deployed UN or really any western army/deployment, it'd seriously undermine morale, pull away probably all public support and instill a great fear if nobody takes claim for the actions and there's no clear cut place or persons to strike back against... It's just a bad "what if" situation but it could still cause a lot of problems.
Look at what happened with the US in Vietnam, during the final talks between opposing generals the US general said something like "You know, we never lost a single engagement" to the Vietnamese general and his response was "Maybe so, but it's irrelevant because you're being forced to leave." All because of lack of public support for the campaign and morale drops.
I know it's a terribly arrogant thing to say but when it comes to something so dangerous I'd go so far as to say it's our duty to do as much as we can (diplomatically speaking) to prevent further countries from developing nuclear weapons. They should never be used in an ideal world, we need less of them not more.
I just said there's almost no way to smuggle in a nuclear weapon into a country. Satellites, from space, pick up unusual quantities of radiation, let alone a nuke. This isn't even counting the impossible delivery through air. Admittedly delivery by boat would be the best way because of the size of the American coast. Still, I'd have to see it before I believe it. Detonating one, in a sub, on coast, could have some pretty nasty environmental effects, but again I don't think they'd get that far. By submarine they could but the most they'd do then is kill a few fish and make a pretty little silhouette in the water doing barely any to no damage.
Gotta admit, I feel safer in Britain for that reason. Small coast+best navy = almost impossible to invade/ smuggle nukes.
Oh and the Vietnam war was a piss take. I never knew they lost a single engagement, but in the end, if they didn't retreat, they would have lost out by numbers alone. Like the middle east, the civilian population would just pick up weapons, fight as militia and simply increase/replace.
How's it America's duty to go round stopping people from having nukes though when it has so many itself. It's painfully hypocritical of them. I don't quite know who they think they are, but if they're going to go to the extent of war just to get their own way, I think mentally, they're as stable as a fascist country.
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Obama did say in a speech a few months ago that he wanted America, as well as the other nuclear nations, to get rid of their bombs and I think he might have cut the nuclear weapons budget as well. Whether he's actually able to achieve a nuclear weapon-free world is another question, but at least he's accepted that that means the US has to get rid of them too.
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