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Well no Carbon I was more talking about quality AND quantity, not quality over quantity. What I was saying was more if Full Sail offers the same curriculum with a better quality education and in less time, then I would sacrifice that 15 months that I would be taking at Westwood and practice on my own with other resources such as was what Squirrel Emperor has shown me.
Squirrel Emperor if they have things that would be beneficial for me as a beginner and may help me get a good jump start then I am probably gonna look at it. If they only offer resources for seasoned users of the programs then I may hold off on it and wait till after I finished classes for example after Full Sail.
I had no idea what I was doing in College for a bit then decided I really wanted to work in the Video Game industry on the art side of things and ended up changing my major. Graduated with a BA in Art. Now I'm saving money before trying to get into Gnomon's certificate program. If I don't get in then I'll probably just take courses there, but from what I've seen they are the type of school I'm looking for. From what I've heard a degree doesn't mean anything in the game industry, its all based on your demo reel/portfolio. Gnomon is taught by people that actually work in the industry so they know the workflow and the ins and outs of the business and are going to pass on their actual work experience which is invaluable. I always hated in College how so much of it didn't pertain to anything I was actually going to use in real world situations. I want hands-on teaching/training and I've heard this is what Gnomon does. Its also connected with Sony, so they can help you get a foot in the door.
Well no Carbon I was more talking about quality AND quantity, not quality over quantity. What I was saying was more if Full Sail offers the same curriculum with a better quality education and in less time, then I would sacrifice that 15 months that I would be taking at Westwood and practice on my own with other resources such as was what Squirrel Emperor has shown me.
Squirrel Emperor if they have things that would be beneficial for me as a beginner and may help me get a good jump start then I am probably gonna look at it. If they only offer resources for seasoned users of the programs then I may hold off on it and wait till after I finished classes for example after Full Sail.
I believe that is basically saying Quality over quantity. It should be noted that spending time to learn things on your own is tedious and confusing. Sometimes, you may not even know where to start from especially with programming. So far, you haven't gave a valid reason to miss 15 months because Westwood has just the same quality. It will all vary based on student's experiences and you won't find anyone who has attended both.
There is an asshole load of Game Design and Development eBooks you could easily download. I won't say where exactly, but it has all the books you'd ever need. Dedication is what it takes from there..
Honestly, Full Sail certainly has the stylish looks and technology. If I lived with my relatives in Florida, I would go there. This is mostly about the convienience (Price and Output). You might want to consider the fact that networking plays a crucial role in the Game industry.
I believe that is basically saying Quality over quantity. It should be noted that spending time to learn things on your own is tedious and confusing. Sometimes, you may not even know where to start from especially with programming. So far, you haven't gave a valid reason to miss 15 months because Westwood has just the same quality. It will all vary based on student's experiences and you won't find anyone who has attended both.
There is an asshole load of Game Design and Development eBooks you could easily download. I won't say where exactly, but it has all the books you'd ever need. Dedication is what it takes from there..
Honestly, Full Sail certainly has the stylish looks and technology. If I lived with my relatives in Florida, I would go there. This is mostly about the convienience (Price and Output). You might want to consider the fact that networking plays a crucial role in the Game industry.
No it isn't. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I don't know what the quality of the education is like and I don't know what the quantity is like at either college. But if it takes 15 more months to get the proper education of someone who went to Full Sail rather then Westwood, then I would gladly sacrifice those 15 months to go onto something more beneficial for me.
So no it isn't Quality over Quantity. Same quality for both colleges (maybe), but takes longer at Westwood then Full Sail to get the same education. Why on earth would I take 15 more months to study something that I could have already learned when I could be going on to new things?
I wouldn't be going to Westwood anyway, seeing as they leave you with no job in the end...I definitely see the others' points when it comes studying a particular field like shuyu and Squirrel Emperor and you Carbon have pointed out, but if Westwood isn't gonna help anyone then I don't see why you would want to go.
I have such a horrible way of phrasing things, maybe I got it this time. I was just merely saying that Quality and Quantity are big to both colleges I realize that, but there are differences between them (colleges I mean).
i'd love to curse my country (phillipenis, lol) for not having a school with a game design course. The only art-related courses in my place are Multimedia Arts, and the usual Fine Arts courses.
I'm a fine arts student majoring in Advertising (yes, i knoe, it's so not related to video games) at a university known for its good fine arts curriculum. My course does almost everything, from painting, to advertising, photography and even fashion design....but still, no game related shiz. and judging from my poor anatomy skills, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
I'll be moving to California in two years, and i'm planning to study again in order to pursue my lifelong dream which is to become a character designer.
Any school will do, as long as it's not too expensive (because i only come from an average family arghhh) and can promise a job placement after graduating. I'm really not familiar with the aforementioned schools since i'm from asia, so gaiz i need your help.....and encouragement.
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No it isn't. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I don't know what the quality of the education is like and I don't know what the quantity is like at either college. But if it takes 15 more months to get the proper education of someone who went to Full Sail rather then Westwood, then I would gladly sacrifice those 15 months to go onto something more beneficial for me.
So no it isn't Quality over Quantity. Same quality for both colleges (maybe), but takes longer at Westwood then Full Sail to get the same education. Why on earth would I take 15 more months to study something that I could have already learned when I could be going on to new things?
I wouldn't be going to Westwood anyway, seeing as they leave you with no job in the end...I definitely see the others' points when it comes studying a particular field like shuyu and Squirrel Emperor and you Carbon have pointed out, but if Westwood isn't gonna help anyone then I don't see why you would want to go.
I have such a horrible way of phrasing things, maybe I got it this time. I was just merely saying that Quality and Quantity are big to both colleges I realize that, but there are differences between them (colleges I mean).
First of all, you don't know what the cirriculum at Westwood College is and you don't have the knowledge (as of yet) to judge whether or not the quality is the same. You contradicted yourself already by stating Westwood College takes 15 more months than Full Sail, which is conveying they either teach at a slower pace or plainly takes longer.
Once more, how do you know if Westwood just allows the time to qo more into depth with their classes? You can look at this in both ways, period. Not just Westwood, but any other college that has a longer program than Full Sail. Yes, it is a mattter of you choosing quality; however, you consistently digress from defining exactly what you mean.
The way I see it is.. It all depends on your demo reel. I already have experience so I doubt there's a thing you vould tell me about a demo reel. One thing for sure is that it takes time. It seems like 21 months to prepare one is a bit fast? :/..
I'd rather spend the extra 15 months to take all the classes provided in the game art and design course than be worried about rushing. You must think Full Sail will automatically teach you how to texture and model like SE. No, that is not how it works. For all I know, 21 months is just about equal to an associates (in terms of length). Not saying that their course is, but it must be accelerated. Meaning they are the ones likely to rush you through the program.
I'm not arguing. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm only trying to reason.
No matter where you choose to go to school, you should do plenty of research. Many of the for-profit schools like Westwood College are NOT regionally accredited and if you decide you want to change schools or go on to higher education after graduation, most other schools will NOT accept your credits from Westwood College. Even Westwood admits that. Why won't other schools accept their credits?
Next, you need to take a long hard look at yourself and decide if you think you can (or want to) actually PAY off a $70,000 or more student loan whether you graduate or not. If you get your dream job in video game design, how long will it take you to pay off the loans? What if you don't get that job?
I definitely agree with you Carbon that its mostly about your demo reel or your presentation.
But I did clearly state that I don't know what the curriculum is, and I did input the word "if" into my argument.
So far we have only been talking about these two schools besides other schools as a whole. We have gone more specific you could say. Saying that it would take 15 more months then Full Sail could very well mean that they do rush it. I'll accept that, totally and in fact maybe your right. But lets assume that to be the worst.
Sometimes I like to think that maybe this school would be more for the people who are purely dedicated to this field and maybe they don't mind the pace at which they are given. I am not entirely dedicated to the whole fact of rushing but I am kind of with the fact that if I could be using my time better in those 15 months learning something new and applying what I have learned, then I would rather go to Full Sail.
Haha! That would be interesting wouldn't it? I don't plan on opening that link but then again I got a mac so maybe I am a little safer...being biased here
I've read some things about Westwood. I have to say that I am not pleased with class being dismissed rather early than we are suppose to get out. The only time I would allow a "pass" for this would be in General Ed classes.
I have only just began so it is hard to actually judge how everything will work. All I can say is to join the clubs! Get noticed and network!! :o
Even though that guy probably won't return, Full Sail is "for profit" as well.
I was also doing a little more research on Westwood and I am not happy with it in the first place. There are many complaints about this school.
I would definitely agree that I would rather get a pass for a gen ed class instead of what I really want to do as a class (if that makes sense). Although, if I am not ready for something like a presentation or homework assignment I wouldn't mind a pass
I think every school is always gonne be in it for profit, just need to weed out the ones that are actually worth going to.
